I found the dermatologist's office. But we walked from, and that was-that 
was on 5th Avenue as it turned out, and we walked down I guess it's 17th 
Street and there was a father with several young children walking down the 
block. And he was walking very fast. And he turned and looked at us and he 
literally grabbed his children in his arms and he ran away from us. And it was 
the first time that we there was that there was-that we had this sensation 
that we probably don't look very good right now[laughing]. That-that-cause you 
don't care. You clearly don't care about your appearance at that moment, but 
we realized that we-we probably are pretty scary looking to-and this-.this guy 
did not want his children to see us. And, it took sort of, it took an outside 
influence to kind of tell you that you've just been through something. Cause, 
you know, you're not-you're not fully processing things. 

	It wasn't that far because of the, from what I understand, the way the 
cloud moved, north of it wasn't that bad. And as I said there were people 
sitting in an outdoor cafe, not that-not many blocks up. So, you know, that's 
fairly normal looking. Just the fact that there were so many kind of people on 
the street milling about aimlessly, just not knowing where to go and what to 
do and just, it was just a very, very weird sensation.

	No. We did hear, actually, it was right-ah, you just reminded me, it was, 
where are we? It was right near here, the Barnes and Noble, right there, 
that's 17th-is that 17th? Whatever street that is. We were right by there. 
Cause one of the things is that Kayla had said was that the airspace was 
closed. You know the national airspace was shut down.  And when we were by 
Barnes and Noble, I heard a plane. And I didn't, and I went, actually, I moved 
next to the building.  And I said, "There's not supposed to be any planes," 
and-and Charlie, who's an-an aviation guy was like, "Patty trust me, that's 
one of ours. It's-it's supposed to be up there.  It's ok."  Um, that was the 
first, I would say, other than the rumbling, that was the first sound 
sensation that-that really struck me. Um, we walked up Park and we were on 
23rd Street waiting for the light to change and there were a group of people 
that were-had probably been evacuated from a building down here somewhere, and 
they were all kind of just yick-yacking really and then all of a sudden one of 
them turned and said, "Oh my god, were you guys there?"  And we're like, 
"Yeah." And they're like, "Oh my god." And it was the first time I 
start-started to tear up, as did Charlie. And, again, it was it took somebody 
else to tell you something happened.  Um, but we-we wound up at my husband's 
office, where we had access to the phone, they got us pizza, it was the best 
pizza I'd ever tasted in my entire life. They had a television but they didn't 
have cable. So you couldn't, you-it was like snowy, so we heard the reports 
that just went on, but we never saw anything so I had actually never seen the 
image of the second plane hitting the building for over a year.  And when I 
did see it, I actually gasped. And people around me were like, cause everyone 
else I guess had become immune to it by that point, and obviously I knew it 
happened, I knew they did it, I knew they did it on purpose, but I had never 
seen it and I was just like shocked to see the-this purposeful act of-of, you 
know, violence. Um, we-the-the good news about being there was we were able, I 
mean, we had computers. The-their system was actually up and running. They had 
really very, other than just the phones being crowded, um, you know, with just 
the volume of people trying to make calls, but I was able to, and I'll never 
forget this, when I finally made voice contact with Neil, he-he said that he 
had talked to Judy, our son's nanny, and I'm like, so I told her you were 
alright.  I'm like, "Oh, she knew about this?" And he's like, "Yeah." I'm 
like, "Oh, how'd she know?"  I'm-I still didn't understand like that this 
would have been like other-then he said he'd talked to his parents.  And his 
parents lived in Colorado at the time. I'm like, "They know about this?" He's 
like, "Yeah Patty they know." I'm like, "Oh. Ok." And it, so after that, he 
had-had made sure he contacted my family but then I kind of, I went through 
and literally called myself to every-all of the just to-to let them know. 
It-it-it-my sister, when she heard, she worked on Long Island, we live in 
Westchester, she got in the car and she drove up to-to our house. Cause when 
she said, "And Carol's there." I'm like, "Why's Carol there?" I-it just 
didn't, none of it made sense.  

	No. I got there; I mean we got out of the building at 10:21. I mean, how 
long does it take to walk, it probably takes a lot to walk up...I have no 
idea, [laughing] is-is my answer. I have no idea, ah, how long it, um, but 
that was, and to the extent that I could call, I mean, bear in mind that I 
thought that everybody had the same experience that I did in terms of how long 
it took to get out. And I knew I was on 65 and I know there's 110 stories and 
I knew how close I was to getting out of the building and I just imagined that 
there must have been tens, you know, or at least, you know, thousands of 
people behind me that probably didn't make it. Um, and then I started calling 
colleagues and, you know, that-that live locally and that I thought might be 
home and...

	We were-we were kind of stuck there cause there was nowhere else to go. 
Um, but yeah, and people were saying, Ňoh yeah, it took about 35 minutes. I'm 
like, well it took us a little longer and then Charlie said, yeah maybe 40 
minutes. So, but that made me feel better because then I thought well then 
maybe more-more people got out than did. Because you can't-you're thinking, 
"There's so many more stories above me." I mean, how many people? And you're 
thinking about our engineers because they're all they're up in the 70s and you 
knew, you're just racing through your head. I also did, I'll tell you this, 
that I was also very confident of who was not in the building because they 
were never known to be in the office or be seen before 9 o'clock. So I'm like, 
"OK, Cruise Russell's fine. Tony Krutshaw was fine." So, you did think of that 
too, so, just that, and you were glad they were fine, actually, you were glad 
they had missed out on this. Um, my husband called the-that office, I can't 
tell you how many times, and I mean, put yourself in his shoes. He's virtually 
isolated, you know, out there. He can't get back.  Um, you know to-he had his 
one colleague, but to-to-to be really alone is-is so, you know, so, it's hard. 
I think that's, I think that was much more difficult. I-Ironically, he was at 
a, ah, wireless convention. So th-the Blackberry story was kind of, ah, one 
that was used out there. Um, but we-we stayed in his office til around right 
before 5 o'clock when Grand Central had reopened, the ferries were reopened. 
Ah, one of the guys from Neil's office was gonna take the same ferry as 
Charlie, which was good, so Charlie had somebody to go home with. I was gonna 
go to Grand Central and Neil's boss lived nearby and he insisted that I come 
back to his apartment.  I guess he thought I wasn't ready to travel or 
whatever, and the news was on. You know, I think that's all that was on.  But 
I just, at this point there was cable so you could see, and I said, "You know 
what, I just-I just want to go home. I don't want to be here anymore." And I-I 
went home.  Um, my-I'll-I'll never forget the image of my son. He had fallen 
asleep. Judy gave him a bath and he had his-these cute little whale jammies on 
and he was asleep in the back seat and it was the, that image, I just-just 
stood there staring at him, just so happy.  Well, he's just so cute anyway.  
But, ah, but he, it's life affirming too, to see just this-this innocent 
little kid and-but then in your heart of hearts you're thinking, "What the 
hell kind of world is he inheriting?" And that-that's when-that's when you get 
sad again. But, um, but that's kind of my tale.